3rd Bn other ranks Roll of Honour listing (forum archive)

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File alt font awesome.svg Posted by kerchi » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:59 pm
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In memory of
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(15309 L/Cpl.)

11th Border Regiment
Who died 1st July 1916.
The following list has been compiled using the Commonwealth War Graves Commission database and the publication Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-19: The Border Regiment, which without, this listing would not have been possible.

As there are several thousand casualties for the entire regiment between these two sources, the number of casualties currently listed here for this battalion does not necessarily reflect the total number casualties due to the possibility of 1. missed names and 2. casualties that were associated with the Border Regiment. In other words officers and other ranks attached to the Battalion that have currently not been included.

The details of the following men will be included in a separate listing in the Rolls of Honour & Remembrance section.

SOLDIERS OF THE BORDER REGIMENT REMEMBERED WITH HONOUR

A

  • Allert, Robert Francis (5344 Pte.)

B

  • Basketter, H. (4253 Pte.)
  • Best, William (19755 L/Sgt.)
  • Bond, J. (18543 Pte.)
  • Bretherton, Edward (6239 Pte.)
  • Brotherhood, Arthur George (13215 C.Q.M.S.)

C

  • Calvert, Barnard (26619 Pte.)
  • Cannon, Henry (5269 C.S.M.)
  • Carr, Thomas (24308 Pte.)
  • Carrick, William (40373 Pte.)
  • Catlow, William (26635 Pte.)
  • Coles, W. G. (21056 Pte.)
  • Coltman, W. A. (5780 Pte.)
  • Cottam, John James (6611 Pte.)
  • Cox, Philip William (51381 Pte.)

D

  • Davidson, Thomas Blaylock (52450 Pte.)
  • Dawson, Cecil (33460 Pte.)
  • Desborough, Allan (25154 Pte.)
  • Dibley, Cornelius Mansfield (3905 Pte.)
  • Dillon, F. J. (5251 Pte.)

E

  • Elliot, Robert (6725 Pte.)
  • Elvin, George William (23185 Pte.)
  • Evans, John Francis (5047 Pte.)

F

  • Farrell, D. (39644 Pte.)
  • Fawcett, Arthur (51147 Pte.)
  • Fawcett, H. (3/22464 Pte.)
  • Ferguson, Robert R. (5354 Pte.)
  • Fisher, Thomas William (17851 L/Cpl.)

G

  • Gibbs, Bernard (33335 L/Cpl.)
  • Gibson, William (18417 Pte.)
  • Griffiths, Robert H. M. (10623 Boy)

H

  • Hamilton, John James (6388 Pte.)
  • Hemmett, George Charles (22173 Colour Serjeant)
  • Henderson, Ernest (20648 Pte.)
  • Hilton, Albert (50780 Pte.)
  • Hodgson, W. J. (20937 Pte.)
  • Hurley, J. (5757 Q.M.S.)
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Who died 1st July 1916.
SOLDIERS OF THE BORDER REGIMENT REMEMBERED WITH HONOUR

I

  • Ings, Frederick William (34122 Pte.)
  • Ireland, Alfred Frederick (5537 L/Cpl.)

K

  • Knowles, William (12454 Pte.)

L

  • Leggett, J. A. (20268 Pte.)
  • Little, Jared (14510 Pte.)

M

  • Morris, Thomas (22239 Pte.)

N

  • Naylor, Robert (3967 Pte.)
  • Needham, John Robert (12987 L/Cpl.)
  • Neville, Walter (6356 Pte.)
  • North, William George (5668 Col. Sgt.)

O

  • O'Brien, James (10400 Boy)

P

  • Parker, Victor (27381 Pte.)
  • Parsley, Norman (21881 Pte.)
  • Pattison, William (8575 L/Cpl.)
  • Pounder, Frederick (4088 Pte.)

R

  • Rigby, Joseph (51123 Sgt.)

S

  • Saunders, Ernest (23758 Pte.)
  • Sharpe, Richardson (21937 Pte.)
  • Shepherd, Abraham (19095 Pte.)
  • Sims, John (6954 L/Cpl.)
  • Smith, George (22226 Cpl.)
  • Smith, John (24973 Pte.)
  • Stephen, W. (10/21162 Pte.)
  • Stephenson, George (8883 Pte.)
  • Stewart, James (3637 Sgt.)
  • Styles, F. (5775 Pte.)

T

  • Taylor, Alfred (32795 Pte.)

U

  • Upshall, George (20487 Pte.)

W

  • Wall, J. (27311 L/Cpl.)
  • Whitfield, John George (5500 Cpl.)
  • Williams, Sidney Rowland (5029 Pte.)
  • Williamson, A. P. (27242 Pte.)
  • Wilson, H. (5166 Pte.)
  • Wood, Edward (32522 Pte.)
  • Woodhead, J. W., M.M. (16252 L/Cpl.)

Y

  • Young, Frank (6423 L/Cpl.)
File alt font awesome.svg Posted by plbramham » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:54 pm
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Chris,

As the 3rd Btn were home service and did not go overseas, do you think some of these men were wounded serving with another battalion, came home and were transferred nominally to the 3rd while recovering but succumbed to their injuries? The Silver War Badge lists are full of wounded/sick men named as being discharged from the 3rd, but having served overseas and having been wounded ( i.e. service other than 3rd Btn), hence they were transferred from their "fighting" unit to the 3rd on return home before discharge. Also, do the dates of death indicate that any of these men may have died from the Spanish Flu in 1918-1919?
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Paul,

Looking at a selection of these men's details the majority died between 1914 and 1917 with about eight dying in 1918 and one in 1919. The Spanish Flu connection could be possible but I don't really know anything about the flu, where it hit across Europe and for how long etc., but I can say there's deaths in the following months of 1918:

  • May x1
  • June x2
  • July x1
  • September x1
  • October x1
  • November x1
  • December x1

.....and, as mentioned earlier, one in January 1919. I would tend to agree with you regarding some men (but not all) being sent home after wounded in action; transferred to the 3rd Battalion for convalescence. The 3rd was a reserve battalion though so reserves were sent primarily to the 1st or 2nd Battalions when battalion strength was weakened (just as the 10th Battalion and 12th Battalion did for supplying drafts to the service battalions up to the 1st September 1916 when they were both absorbed). Reserves from the 3rd Battalion were also sent to the 1/5th, 8th, 9th and 11th Battalions of the Border Regiment, including and handful to the DLI, Welsh Regiment, KSLI, KOYLI and Sherwood Forresters. This would explain reserve/depot/training men etc. having served overseas.

Another thing, some men were transferred to the various Labour Corps because they were most likely not fit for active duty on the front line. These men could have succumbed to illness whilst in the Labour Corps.

All these men, with the exception (that I know of so far) of Captain James Pyman, all died at 'home'.

Also, remember that some might have died as a result of an accident or dying from an illness whilst training. Many of the deaths are recorded as having died from some sort of illness: tuberculosis, pneumonia, peritonitis etc. and even an accidental drowning.