Lonsdale insignia (forum archive)

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File alt font awesome.svg Posted by kerchi » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:06 pm
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Apart from the standard Lonsdale cap badge (in various metals and quality) does anyone know what other Lonsdale-specific insignia there was for the battalion's existence? I am interested in collecting images of Lonsdale insignia for the new Lonsdale Battalion wiki I am working on.

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I was in told in the past that the only "specific" insignia for the Lonsdale's was the cap badge. They wore "standard" Border Regiment collar badges.

Thus, if you find a "miniature" dragon collar badge on sale claimed to be Lonsdale's, it is probably a Welsh Regiment (didn't "Buffs" and Monmouthshire also sue the "dragon"?) Regards, Paul.

File alt font awesome.svg Posted by kerchi » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:41 pm
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Ok, thanks Paul, good to know.

I didn't know that the Buffs and Monmouthshires also had a dragon (just checked and yes they are very similar to the China dragon of the Lonsdales). I'm glad the Lonsdale have their own distinctive cap badge, just a shame there weren't any other forms of insignia, official or unofficial, they used.

Looks like my cap badge / insignia gallery is going remain small.

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Yeah, Forgot to mention they also wore the standard brass "BORDER" shoulder titles.

The only 11th Bn. difference to other battalions was the cap badge. The originals were silver ( try getting one of them are as rare as hens teeth and very expensive!) as provided by Lord Lonsdale of Lowther Castle. The later standard issue were brass. There is a rumour of bronze ones, but I was told by a (deceased) friend of mine that, if they exist, these were "unofficial" Regards Paul

Incidentally the dragon on the Lonsdale badge IS NOT the China dragon (that was from 34th Regt battle honours), it is from the crest of the Lonsdale family from Lowther castle near Penrith. Easy mistake to make.

File alt font awesome.svg Posted by kerchi » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:17 am
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Cquote1 black.svg plbramham wrote:
Yeah, Forgot to mention they also wore the standard brass "BORDER" shoulder titles. The only 11th Bn. difference to other battalions was the cap badge. The originals were silver ( try getting one of them are as rare as hens teeth and very expensive!) as provided by Lord Lonsdale of Lowther Castle. The later standard issue were brass. There is a rumour of bronze ones, but I was told by a (deceased) friend of mine that, if they exist, these were "unofficial"

The shoulder titles wouldn't distinguish them from the other battalions so in this case not Lonsdale-specific related. It would have been interesting though if they had some unofficial insignia or mascot-related insignia art.

I'd love a silver cap badge but I'll settle for the excellent photos you have sent me in the past.

Cquote1 black.svg plbramham wrote:
Incidentally the dragon on the Lonsdale badge IS NOT the China dragon (that was from 34th Regt battle honours), it is from the crest of the Lonsdale family from Lowther castle near Penrith. Easy mistake to make.

Thanks for the correction Paul, I've just had my head in Tried and Valiant at the time reading about the 34th and making several posts here. I'm easily confused Twemoji 1f644.svg

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Hi,

Use the photos I have sent in any way you wish. You will have to "lift them" off the forum site as images are deleted from my system now.

Regarding Lonsdale silver cap badge - well I'm afraid with all the WW1 centenary interest, prices have gone through the roof. They are so rare you would be lucky to get one for £1000 (seriously!) There are many on e-bay, and I am sure that some are really made from silver, but they are not original. I got mine from a July 1st casualty descendent so I am fairly sure it is genuine, and I paid massively, massively less than current prices.

Check my new "Memorial" postings on the forum,

Best Wishes Paul.

File alt font awesome.svg Posted by kerchi » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:53 am
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Cquote1 black.svg plbramham wrote:
Use the photos I have sent in any way you wish. You will have to "lift them" off the forum site as images are deleted from my system now.

Have you had computer problems or hard drive space issues? I keep copies of my photos on google drive, some on dropbox (but I don't use that much these days) to free up space if I need to.Would be a shame to lose copies of your photos, especially as you have/had a great selection.

Cquote1 black.svg plbramham wrote:
Regarding Lonsdale silver cap badge - well I'm afraid with all the WW1 centenary interest , prices have gone through the roof. They are so rare you would be lucky to get one for £1000 (seriously!) There are many on e-bay, and I am sure that some are really made from silver, but they are not original. I got mine from a July 1st casualty descendent so I am fairly sure it is genuine, and I paid massively, massively less than current prices.

Far too much for me. I couldn't justify that even if I had the money. I have to spend my heard-earned cash on things like decorating and saving for a trip to Lonsdale Cemetery next year! It's good to know you have one though and that it is being well looked after. I have a silver Lonsdale cap badge but it isn't genuine.

Cquote1 black.svg plbramham wrote:
Check my new "Memorial" postings on the forum.

I'm checking them out now. Seen some excellent photos!