Help researching Robert Cartmell WW1 (forum archive)

Information icon4.svg The following text has been archived here from our sister site, the Border Regiment Forum, which is set to close in January 2018.
A wiki-based copy of that original post has been preserved here for reference purposes. Note: only selected posts from the forum have been archived (find out why).
File alt font awesome.svg Posted by redbert » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:46 pm
User font awesome (edited).png

redbert
Private
Registered user
Posts: 1

Hi I am a new member. I am hoping some kind sole can HelPPPPPP me. I have received data from the Borders Museum concerning my wife's Father a ROBERT CARTMELL Reg/no: 9690 who we believe served with the 1st Battalion at Gallipoli. They provided a Medal Card which is interesting, as R/C was issued with the SWB. However what they don't inform us is was R/C a regular Soldier or a Volunteer, Would any one know this fact, also they did not state if his Service Records or Attestation Papers were available, again would some kind sole advise me where I might obtain copies.

Alas if I may explain I am totally looking for a needle in a Hay-Stack, as my wife only recollection of her father is his name, as her mum & dad parted company when she was only 4 years of age, he was never spoken about, by the family, apart from the fact he was in the 1st WW, being wounded more than once, we can only rely on my wife's sister who is 10 years older than my wife, who states she can remember he limped, which ties in with the Medal Card info that he was awarded the SWB.

I started searching for R/C many months ago, I started by looking for how many R/Cs there were in the 1WW, 13 in total, 7 I discounted, as they were killed, 3 had other Christian names (again discounted) that left 3. one was a Seg/t (not likely) one was a Gunner (not 100% certain) then R/C in the Border Regiment Private who appears to fit the bill. However, I need to trace his records to be 100% certain, e.g. where he was Born Date of birth etc. etc. perhaps his Mum's or Father's name, which might match the little data I have of ROBERT CARTMELL, which the Museum did not supply, sorry to be so long winded but I am hitting a brick wall, my only hope is some-one my assist me in my quest to find the elusive R/C many thanks, Redbert.

File alt font awesome.svg Posted by kerchi » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:32 pm
Avatar-kerchi.jpg
Kerchi
Field-Marshal
Administrator
Posts: 2160
In memory of
John Bardgett
(15309 L/Cpl.)

11th Border Regiment
Who died 1st July 1916.
Welcome to the forum Redbert.

Your request is an interesting one and I do hope you have success in finding the information you are looking for.

A couple of our members do have access to Ancestry.co.uk so hopefully if they pick up your post they might have a look for you to see if the possible Robert Cartmell of the Border Regiment is your guy from his service records (if they exist as it is possible they do not survive).

Regarding Regular or Volunteer it is difficult to say for sure but if he was serving in the 1st Battalion he would have been a regular, however, it is possible that he could have started as volunteer and trained with one of the reserve battalions before being transferred to the 1st Battalion and going to Gallipoli.

File alt font awesome.svg Posted by IanT » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:42 pm
User font awesome (edited).png

IanT
Major
Registered user
Posts: 252

RC's medal index card is on Ancestry but unfortunately there is no service or pension document. Like for many other WW1 soldiers these haven't survived.
Ian.
File alt font awesome.svg Posted by IanT » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:54 pm
User font awesome (edited).png

IanT
Major
Registered user
Posts: 252

I did a quick check in the 1911 census. If he was from Carlisle, there is a possible candidate who was 16 years old then, living in Carlisle with parents Robert (age 42 so unlikely to have served in WW1) and Elizabeth. The boy worked for the Glasgow & South Western Railway as an apprentice locomotive fitter. He had a number of siblings: John, Sarah, Thomas, Lizzie, Willie, Violet and Doris.
Ian.